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The OC vs Dawson's Creek
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Ablang
2004-04-12 00:35:30 UTC
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These two shows seem so alike from the TV commercials. What do these
two shows have in common, and what things are different between them?
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Donna B
2004-04-12 00:59:48 UTC
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These two shows seem so alike from the TV commercials. What do these
two shows have in common, and what things are different between them?
They are both primetime soaps.

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Rob Jensen
2004-04-12 08:06:27 UTC
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Sharpe Fan
2004-04-12 23:41:19 UTC
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These two shows seem so alike from the TV commercials. What do
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two shows have in common, and what things are different between them?
They are both primetime soaps.
The OC is a straight-on soap with delusions of cleverness
while Dawson's Creek is simultaneously a romantic dramedy
and a deconstruction/spoof of soaps. It's like trying to compare
the Three Stooges to Woody Allen.
-- Rob Jensen
The OC is more self-referential and has more plot contrivances after only
20+ episodes than DC did after six seasons.

The OC can be fun to watch, as much to laugh at as anything else. It is
hard to really care about the characters, since they are almost parodies.

The OC does have considerably more adult character involvement than DC ever
did.

I prefer "One Tree Hill" to OC. It's hardly perfect, but I can care about
the characters. And Dan is a much better villain than Caleb and Julie
combined.

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Rob Jensen
2004-04-14 10:06:40 UTC
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Sharpe Fan
2004-04-14 13:39:23 UTC
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The OC can be fun to watch, as much to laugh at as anything else. It is
hard to really care about the characters, since they are almost parodies.
That's why I predict a fairly quick burnout during Season 2 as
they exhaust the soap genre's limited arsenal of cliches. They'll
probably limp along to a season 3 unless they reinvent themselves
as a show that cares about more of its characters than just the
admittedly brilliant Seth, who is carrying the entire show on
his shoulders.
I agree with this.
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The OC does have considerably more adult character involvement than DC ever
did.
Problem is, its adults are less mature than the kids and,
with the exception of Peter Gallagher, totally unlikable. Seth's
mom is cloyingly bland, Julie Cooper is a bargain-basement
Alexis-Carrington-as-drawn-by-comics-artist-Dan-Brereton (The
Nocturnals, Giantkiller), Caleb has all the charisma of a wet
blanket and what's-her-name-the-mom's-sister seems to think
that looking cute is the same as acting. For all the *more*
adults that The OC has -- and I sort of disagree with that
anyway given that Joey's Creek had Mitch, Gail, Bessie,
Deputy Doug, (arguably) Gretchen (who Dawson should
have ended up with, IMO), to a lesser extent supporting
adults Tamara, Bhodi, Brooks, Danny, Prof. Wilder, various
Capeside High principals and the grandest adult of all, Grams.
The OC might have more adult lead characters than
Joey's Creek ever did, but even this far in episode-wise
(toward the mid-20's of 2nd season for the Creek, given
its abbreviated 1st season and The OC's extended 1st
season), the Creek's grown-ups were just plain more
memorable -- and more grown-up.
The grown ups on DC were peripheral figues, execpt for the Leery's and
Grams. They did have thier own story lines, but the rest were seen rarely
and just as pasrt of the kids' story lines. That isn't bad, but it is
different.

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Stan Brown
2004-04-12 15:25:25 UTC
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These two shows seem so alike from the TV commercials. What do these
two shows have in common, and what things are different between them?
One's on the air new, and the other's on cable reruns?
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Ian J. Ball
2004-04-12 15:58:37 UTC
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These two shows seem so alike from the TV commercials. What do these
two shows have in common, and what things are different between them?
One's on the air new, and the other's on cable reruns?
Katie Holmes and Bethany J. Lenz are both impossibly cute?...
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Nonymous
2004-04-12 16:41:38 UTC
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Post by Ablang
These two shows seem so alike from the TV commercials. What do these
two shows have in common, and what things are different between them?
One's on the air new, and the other's on cable reruns?
Katie Holmes and Bethany J. Lenz are both impossibly cute?...
Lenz is on One Tree Hill, not The O.C. That's OK, we understand... it's
Monday.
Ian J. Ball
2004-04-12 22:33:35 UTC
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Post by Ablang
These two shows seem so alike from the TV commercials. What do
these two shows have in common, and what things are different between
them?
One's on the air new, and the other's on cable reruns?
Katie Holmes and Bethany J. Lenz are both impossibly cute?...
Lenz is on One Tree Hill, not The O.C. That's OK, we understand... it's
Monday.
And I'm sick...


Ian (I mean "ill", not "crazy"...)
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